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Re: Introducing AB Meta - Simple Annotation for Pages About Things

Michael Vesely — Tue, 27 Jul 2010 03:36:32 -0000

thanks! now it's working. I will incorporate it into my restaurant's homepage within the next days and probably present it at a tourism congress beginning of September.

Re: Introducing AB Meta - Simple Annotation for Pages About Things

Alex Iskold — Mon, 26 Jul 2010 23:08:06 -0000

There are couple of bugs see http://abmeta.org and this: http://grab.by/5Bny you need to have
<head typeof="restaurant:Restaurant">, etc.

Re: Introducing AB Meta - Simple Annotation for Pages About Things

Michael Vesely — Mon, 26 Jul 2010 03:39:50 -0000

Hmm, here's a test page where the GetGlue bar doesn't show up (using chrome with installed addon): http://cafe-reisinger.at/ab...

What am I missing?

Re: Introducing AB Meta - Simple Annotation for Pages About Things

Alex Iskold — Sun, 25 Jul 2010 15:04:58 -0000

GetGlue bar will show up whenever a user with GetGlue addon installed visits the page. We disambiguate to a source, in case of a restaurants it would be Yelp and if we don't find it, then we'd use AB Meta description.

Re: Introducing AB Meta - Simple Annotation for Pages About Things

Michael Vesely — Sun, 25 Jul 2010 05:06:31 -0000

OK, next questions:

Under what circumstances would then the GetGlue bar turn up? Given that the browser extension is installed.

How are you handling multiple web descriptions of the same physical object (i.e. a restaurant home page, the corresponding foursquare and gowalla entry, the facebook fan page ....)?

Re: Introducing AB Meta - Simple Annotation for Pages About Things

Alex Iskold — Sat, 24 Jul 2010 17:31:33 -0000

Yes, correct.

Re: Introducing AB Meta - Simple Annotation for Pages About Things

Michael Vesely — Sat, 24 Jul 2010 10:49:44 -0000

What happens if I include this on a restaurant homepage? Would getglue then automatically recognize this as a restaurant?

Re: Introducing AB Meta - Simple Annotation for Pages About Things

Alex — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:20:02 -0000

Yes, absolutely, you should use this to markup product pages as well.

Re: Introducing AB Meta - Simple Annotation for Pages About Things

Esoteric Articles — Thu, 04 Mar 2010 14:03:13 -0000

Would this be suitable for sites about a video game/movie/book but not necessarily a review or attempt to sell them? Just when is it right to use these sorts of things?

Re: Introducing AB Meta - Simple Annotation for Pages About Things

Erik Hetzner — Sun, 04 May 2008 13:13:37 -0000

> We said that either dc.creator or book.author is supported. Frankly, people find book.author much more simple and understandable compare to dc.creator when talking about books.

Even if this is granted, going down the path of having a separate name, but the same semantic relationship, for differing types will a nightmare. Are you going to next have script.playwright? And movie-script.screenwriter?

Concepts that we use in everyday life sounds good, but I don't think this will work out in the end.

As for eRDF and your relation to the semantic web, you really need to fix those examples and clarify your URIs. Your documents are not valid eRDF.

Beyond that, eRDF seems to be pretty dead. Why not RDFa or GRDDL?

Re: Introducing AB Meta - Simple Annotation for Pages About Things

Alex Iskold — Sat, 03 May 2008 16:16:02 -0000

This is not a proprietary fork. Simply, this is light-weight format that has
a chance to be used by people.

Re: Introducing AB Meta - Simple Annotation for Pages About Things

Alex Iskold — Sat, 03 May 2008 16:13:43 -0000

Hi,

We said that either dc.creator or book.author is supported. Frankly, people find book.author much more simple and understandable compare to dc.creator when talking about books. The language matters. We already have specific semantics and instead of re-inventing it with commonly shared obscure terms, we should use concepts that we use in our everyday life. this will make publishers more amicable to publish meta data.

Re: Introducing AB Meta - Simple Annotation for Pages About Things

Alex Iskold — Sat, 03 May 2008 16:11:45 -0000

Hi there,

While meta tags are indeed 1-1 we have plans to expand this into microformats, and then you will be able to express more than one thing per page.

Re: Introducing AB Meta - Simple Annotation for Pages About Things

Alex Iskold — Sat, 03 May 2008 16:10:54 -0000

Hi Andy,

Can you please point out what specifically in Dublin Core exist to support basic everyday things? Also, the book.author or wine.winery format is meant to exactly extend things in the right way.

Re: Introducing AB Meta - Simple Annotation for Pages About Things

Pete — Sat, 03 May 2008 10:35:57 -0000

AB meta is a proprietary fork..

Stick with RDFa its the standard.

Re: Introducing AB Meta - Simple Annotation for Pages About Things

Erik Hetzner — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:55:51 -0000

If this is based on eRDF, where are the URIs? Your examples do not look like eRDF to me.

If you have "leveraged" dublin core, why have you renamed dc elements (e.g., dc.creator -> book.author)? If the meaning is the same, where are the docs (owl or otherwise) which demonstrate this equivalence?

How is this "simpler" than eRDF, RDFa, or just dc values in <meta> elements?

As far as I can tell, you have reinvented the wheel, and done, to be blunt, a pretty poor job of it.

Re: Introducing AB Meta - Simple Annotation for Pages About Things

Sylvain Carle — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:53:50 -0000

This is interesting, but the problem I can foresee with meta tags is that it works only when the relation from html page to object is 1 to 1. So I can see how I could add meta tags to a merchant page like http://web2places.com/place... where there is only one object to describe (a place) but how can I annotate a list?

I think a simple rel tag on a block level element for each object in a list (pointing to the "canonical" representation of this one object, or at least a good proxy) would fix this problem.

I won't paste code here because I figure it would be garbled but on a page like http://web2places.com/merch... each search result could have a Rel-ABmeta tag linking to the page describing the object, a bit like Rel-Tag (see http://microformats.org/wik....

PS. and yes, I am pimping some work of mine as examples, but they are on topic ;-)

Re: Introducing AB Meta - Simple Annotation for Pages About Things

Alex Iskold — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:40:30 -0000

Our technologies already recognize content in many pages using various algorithms. We are planning plugins to make AB Meta easier, but we can't recognize content precisely in an arbitrary page.

Re: Introducing AB Meta - Simple Annotation for Pages About Things

ceonyc — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:23:53 -0000

Can this be done in a feedflare type way? If you give me a piece of javascript to add to all my templates and a nice, easy user interface that feeds it data, I'll do this.

Also, if you guys are already tagging things using smartlinks, can't you automatically add metatags to each of my posts?

Re: Introducing AB Meta - Simple Annotation for Pages About Things

Jon Knight — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:58:19 -0000

Alex,
I've been waiting for this!

But you guys knew that, huh...
Thanks!

Re: Introducing AB Meta - Simple Annotation for Pages About Things

Andy Mabbett — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:08:11 -0000

Yes: I read the spec. before making my comment.

Re: Introducing AB Meta - Simple Annotation for Pages About Things

Alex Iskold — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 08:42:01 -0000

Hi Andy,

We did leverage Dublin Core, did you have the chance to look at the actual spec? http://www.adaptiveblue.com...

Re: Introducing AB Meta - Simple Annotation for Pages About Things

Andy Mabbett — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 07:54:30 -0000

Please don't invent new formats - Dublin Core (http://dublincore.org/) already exists for this purpose, and is extensible.

Re: Introducing AB Meta - Simple Annotation for Pages About Things

Adam Posey — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:05:48 -0000

It was metaphorically speaking. :)

Re: Introducing AB Meta - Simple Annotation for Pages About Things

Alex Iskold — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 21:16:29 -0000

Hey Adam,

Lets not force things down people's throats - we are civilized here. Lets evolve the set of standards that works.